Donald Trump's lawyer has claimed that "truth isn't truth", during an interview about when the USA president would speak with special counsel Robert Mueller's team investigating Russia's involvement in the 2016 election.
But her husband, Jared Kushner, was less of a concern, Giuliani indicated.
"Look, I'm not going to be rushed into having [Trump] testify so that he gets trapped into perjury", Giuliani told Todd.
"No, no, no ... don't do this to me", said Giuliani, putting his hand to his head.
Giuliani even suggested they may not have known she was Russian. "So tell me what the truth is", Giuliani said.
"But men are, you know, disposable".
The younger Trump replied: "If it's what you say I love it" - and several days later, the meeting took place.
After the show, former FBI Director James Comey, whose name came up in the NBC interview, tweeted that "truth exists and truth matters".
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"He fired Comey because Comey would not, among other things, say that he wasn't a target of the investigation", Giuliani told Fox News' Sean Hannity. Why does the White House keep letting him go on TV?
Even though he is supposed to be giving legal advice, Giuliani has occasionally freelanced on White House matters - eventually forcing the State Department to declare the president's lawyer does not speak for the USA government.
The latest: Rudy Giuliani's declaration Sunday that "truth isn't truth", which is mind-numbingly WTF and yet somehow flawless for our post-"fake news" era.
Trump has said he is willing to talk to Mueller, but his current legal team, headed by Giuliani, has yet to arrange such a meeting, insisting that certain topics remain off-limits.
"Truth is truth", Todd interjected. But in explaining why Trump should worry about telling the truth, Giuliani questioned the existence of truth itself.
"Truth isn't truth?" a startled Todd asked.
The comments by the former New York City mayor and Trump attorney caused host Chuck Todd to put his hand on his head and warn that the phrase would become a "bad meme".